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Zythos - 50 RR5L5 Warden
Dying - 50 RR4L1 Nightshade
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Zythos |
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Looking for SC templates, any help is appreciated.
Thanks Hib/Galahad
Zythos - 50 RR5L5 Warden Dying - 50 RR4L1 Nightshade Speedythos - 50 RR3L4 Bard Alb/Igraine Zythos - 45 RR2L5 Minstrel |
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Jjoe Nitro |
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SC templates all depend on the jewelry. A good spellcrafter will ask you what jewelry you have and calculate the armor settings based on what you tell him. A change of a single piece of jewelry could cause the entire armor template to change - every single piece...
With that said, I've put together a template based on my jewelry that maxes every stat except power and 1/2 dex. My jewelry set is the following: Neck: ancient copper (soa quest) cloak: forgot the name (restoring the magic quest) jewel: ancient roman coin (soa quest) belt: the strength one(ogre's might) ring: Bane's Ring (sidi raid) ring: shattered and reforged (ghost house - lindons i think) bracers: stealthy and healthy - bracers quest in SI Now, from this I was able to create a template that maxes everything but power (which I never run out of, especially with maxed CHA), and gives +37 to dex, which we don't really use except with evade. The problem with giving you the entire template is that if you don't have Bane's Ring, the entire thing needs to be recalculated anyway, and my template is worthless to you. ..... not to mention the fact that everyone recommends a total freeze on all spellcrafting until TOA comes out. Jjoe Nitro!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zythos |
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Is the Shattered and Reforged ring a Random Generated drop, OTD, Quest drop, or just a hard to get drop?
Waiting for ToA is a good idea cause I'm sure those dungeon items will be better then SI, like SI was better then Legion, and so on. Currently I have a Spectrial Soul Anchor, 1 Bane's Ring, and a Sidi flute. Should I try and fit the Instruments into the template or should I only worry about when i have my shield/sword out? Hib/Galahad
Zythos - 50 RR5L5 Warden Dying - 50 RR4L1 Nightshade Speedythos - 50 RR3L4 Bard Alb/Igraine Zythos - 45 RR2L5 Minstrel |
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DarkSkie |
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While holding an instrument, a minstrel need not worry about Quickness or +slash/+thrust AT ALL. These factors have no effect on us other than to directly affect our weapon.
Dex is another factor that we don't use much as slashers, except as a tiny bonus to evade. -DarkSkie <Queen of the Dirt Club>
-Lucy <The Pally Block Bot> -MorbidCravings/Earthtones/Hanzn/NightSkie/DrKevorkian |
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Regalys |
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Zythos, for jewelry, I would recommend the following:
Necklace: Ancient Copper Necklace Jewel: Jewel of the Spirit Abhorrent (drops from pygmies) Bracers: Healthy and Stealthy Rings: Shattered and Reforged Rings Belt: Belt of Granite Enhancement (drops in Dartmoor) Sorry that I can't help you with the cloak since I am using an SC one. However, the quest cloaks are good and if you can get one, the Aflanc cloak that drops off of Aflanc in Lynn Barfog is pretty good. The Shattered and Reforged Rings are just hard to get drops, especially since they nerfed the drop rate on the Dales' families. Try getting a group of guildies to go farm them with you with like a nice pbae group. Expect to be there a while though hehe. I pretty much kept my SC suit limited to my armor. My sword/shield only include Slash (and when I get to it, the few extra points to cap Instruments). I too use the Sidi flute but don't worry about trying to fit the stats into the SC. Oh btw, I hate you. I have been trying to get an SSA since forever. There are only a few on my server and it is the only item besides the Sidi drum that I pretty much want. JK, I don't hate you . . . that much. Regalys, 50 Scout
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Zythos |
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In the last 3 weeks i've been on 3 Sidi raids, and it droped on 2 of the raids. I won mine when i was lvl42
I've been really lucky on Alb and like it more cause i've been on over 100 Galla raids and never won a thing. Hib/Galahad
Zythos - 50 RR5L5 Warden Dying - 50 RR4L1 Nightshade Speedythos - 50 RR3L4 Bard Alb/Igraine Zythos - 45 RR2L5 Minstrel |
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Zythos |
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Could anyone be nice enough to list the stats on the SI quest items, including the new Vest. I would really like to get a jump on SC template now and see what i can do with it. If I can cap what I need to now, no real reason to wait for ToA.
Hib/Galahad
Zythos - 50 RR5L5 Warden Dying - 50 RR4L1 Nightshade Speedythos - 50 RR3L4 Bard Alb/Igraine Zythos - 45 RR2L5 Minstrel |
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Atylla |
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Actually, the drop rates on families is pretty much unchanged. Their spawn rate was reduced a bit apparently, but I can't really tell a difference. Still barely able to keep up with respawns as is with 2 ice wiz, 2 pallies, cleric, minstrel and 2 other classes (scout/assassin or tank).
IMO, the families camp is virtually unchanged. Not seeing a meaningful nerf there. |
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Regalys |
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I could have sworn that they nerfed the drop rate on families several patches ago. In any case, go camp them for the ring and see how long it takes. It is still a long wait to get two of them for your set, unless you just get super lucky.
Regalys, 50 Scout
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Jjoe Nitro |
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They did announce a change to the families back in that patch, but they didn't change the drop rates - they changed the re-spawn rates.
They used to respawn every TWO minutes... It was supposed to be changed to every 15 minutes, but I think it's actually still alot faster than that. Jjoe Nitro!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sheolraven |
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Darksie said:
"Dex is another factor that we don't use much as slashers, except as a tiny bonus to evade. " What is the source of your information? A seemingly knowledgeable guildmate of mine has informed me that dex increases your chances of landing a blow, and that this applies to DD's, as well as to melee skills. It is always helpful to state your source, when stating information. Merely reading something somewhere confers neither truth, nor accuracy, no matter how many times you read it. Thank you, Sheolraven Phoenix Knight Archanges of Guinevere |
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Jjoe Nitro |
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Quote:That was me accidently posting under my Fiance's ezboard account. Quote:My sources are 2 years worth of reading this board and the IGN boards, as well as talking with other Minstrels in game. I thought it was made quite clear from many angles that your chance to hit or miss is a factor of weaponskill vs. defense rating, and that weapon skill is a factor of stats based on weapon. Slashing weapons are 100% str based, thrusting is 50% str and 50% dex. It has been discussed and tested ad nauseum that DD's are only affected by Charisma and Instruments. As for landing a DD, since they are considered spells, their chance to hit is based on spell level vs target character level. In other games such as D&D, Dexterity plays a large role in your chance to hit a target, but in many recent games, Dexterity no longer represents an overall measure of your characters agility, but rather is just a number used in SOME calculations here and there. Jjoe Nitro!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sheolraven |
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Jjoe, as far as I'm concerned you are the guru of minstrels. Your posts have aided me a lot. To my knowledge you have not led me wrong before. Be that as it may, I still don't believe something just because I read it somewhere. I believe that forums have a lot of misinformation. I would like to find other people's tests and interpret the results for myself. I must be asking too much, but I would always try to state how I come to know something, ie. [statement], (VN boards, test by Katalia, about three months ago.) QUOTE": "I thought it was made quite clear from many angles that your chance to hit or miss is a factor of weaponskill vs. defense rating, and that weapon skill is a factor of stats based on weapon." Begging your pardon, but I don't see these terms anywhere on this post. Do you assume that someone reading this post has read all previous posts on the subject? If so, where I could get the most help is in doing searches. I am unable to find anything regarding dex effects for minstrels on the VN boards. The VN boards are a jumble to me. My searches seldom yield anthing remotely towards what I am trying to find. For example, I can't get more than one page worth of answers and they generally encompass only the last one or two days of posts. I also can't narrrow my search by using more than one word. Most frequently I just get the message "an error as occurred" when I attempt a search. Any help is appreciated. Sincerely, Sheolraven Phoenix Knight Archanges of Guinevere |
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Jjoe Nitro |
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Quote: Allow me to apologize for making a statement in response to a question without whipping out my charts and graphs, and without identifying myself as a knowledgeable sage. I was merely trying to answer a question (although, not as directly as I could have). I understand your concern about accuracy of statements, and I don't know offhand where to find the links to each log'd report ever created by minstrels testing this stuff over the last two years. I wouldn't take myself at my word either. Frankly, my knowledge comes from personally readying hundreds of messages posted by minstrel players over the last two years, and distilling the knowledge down to those posts that contain actual logs, posts that agree with each other and posts that agree with my own experiences. I don't take offense to someone who tells me I'm wrong. Each of us is welcomed to test, and re-test all information that is considered common knowledge to our class. Lord knows that with Mythic running the show, EVERYTHING needs to be re-tested anytime they put up patch notes. Personally, I re-test all of the information I know about charm on pendragon every single time they post a patch to pendragon. So far, the mysterious minstrel red-pet-nerf has not appeared, and I intend to post here on this board if I ever discover a change. So far, zilch. Jjoe Nitro!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BeckUKPRYD |
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I'm pretty sure that dex dont effect our DDs in any way. (just from what I have picked up from reading many minstrel posts).
The other reason you may want high dex is that it will reduce the casting time of our AOE mezz. People have reportedly got the casting time down to 3 seconds from the standard 5 with high dex. Although considering that it is more of a hinderance as it is now then a help, this dont affect me. As for SC setups, I personally dont have one as I have limited funds. I was intending to farm a plenty and get myself one but with TOAs items I may have to wait and see. The most important thing about a SC setup is items and how much utility they have, the higher the better. Although some of the very high utility items are very hard to get. I was trying to save up for what is considered to be one of the best 99% SC templates (with items that are achievable to a casual player). And here it is fyi... Kilrah's template Config Report Stats: Str: 74 Int: 0 Hits: 200 Con: 74 Pie: 0 Power: 0 Dex: 73 Cha: 76 Qui: 74 Emp: 0 Resists: Body: 25 Energy: 25 Crush: 26 Cold: 24 Matter: 24 Thrust: 24 Heat: 26 Spirit: 22 Slash: 25 Skills: 11 Instruments 11 Slash 11 Stealth Focus: Chest: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 2 Instruments - 99% uncut Vapor Fervor Sigil Gem 2: 25 Charisma - 99% flawless Icy Essence Jewel Gem 3: 7 Matter Resist - 99% imperfect Earthen Shielding Jewel Gem 4: 9 Slash Resist - 99% polished Watery Shielding Jewel Utility: 58.6666641235352 Arms: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 60 Hits - 99% precious Blood Essence Jewel Gem 2: 22 Dexterity - 99% precious Vapor Essence Jewel Gem 3: 19 Quickness - 99% faceted Airy Essence Jewel Gem 4: 13 Constitution - 99% imperfect Earthen Essence Jewel Utility: 51 Head: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 52 Hits - 99% faceted Blood Essence Jewel Gem 2: 3 Slash - 99% rough Watery War Sigil Gem 3: 7 Cold Resist - 99% imperfect Icy Shielding Jewel Gem 4: 9 Slash Resist - 99% polished Watery Shielding Jewel Utility: 60 Legs: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 3 Stealth - 99% rough Airy Battle Jewel Gem 2: 19 Constitution - 99% faceted Earthen Essence Jewel Gem 3: 7 Slash Resist - 99% imperfect Watery Shielding Jewel Gem 4: 9 Crush Resist - 99% polished Firey Shielding Jewel Utility: 59.6666641235352 Hands: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 16 Strength - 99% polished Firey Essence Jewel Gem 2: 16 Constitution - 99% polished Earthen Essence Jewel Gem 3: 9 Heat Resist - 99% polished Heated Shielding Jewel Gem 4: 19 Quickness - 99% faceted Airy Essence Jewel Utility: 52.0000038146973 Feet: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 4 Stealth - 99% flawed Airy Battle Jewel Gem 2: 19 Constitution - 99% faceted Earthen Essence Jewel Gem 3: 7 Cold Resist - 99% imperfect Icy Shielding Jewel Gem 4: 7 Crush Resist - 99% imperfect Firey Shielding Jewel Utility: 60.6666679382324 Right Hand: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 4 Slash - 99% flawed Watery War Sigil Gem 2: 19 Strength - 99% faceted Firey Essence Jewel Gem 3: 19 Dexterity - 99% faceted Vapor Essence Jewel Gem 4: 16 Quickness - 99% polished Airy Essence Jewel Utility: 56.0000038146973 Left Hand: Imbue Points: 33.5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 30% Gem 1: 4 Slash - 99% flawed Watery War Sigil Gem 2: 19 Strength - 99% faceted Firey Essence Jewel Gem 3: 19 Dexterity - 99% faceted Vapor Essence Jewel Gem 4: 16 Quickness - 99% polished Airy Essence Jewel Utility: 56.0000038146973 Two Handed: Imbue Points: 0 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: None Gem 1: Empty - Gem 2: Empty - Gem 3: Empty - Gem 4: Empty - Utility: 0 Ranged: Imbue Points: 0 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: None Gem 1: Empty - Gem 2: Empty - Gem 3: Empty - Gem 4: Empty - Utility: 0 Neck: Name: Ancient Copper Necklace Level: 50 Quality: 100 Bonus: 35 Effect 1: 10 Spirit Resist Effect 2: 10 Body Resist Effect 3: 10 Crush Resist Effect 4: 10 Thrust Resist Utility: 80 Cloak: Name: Cape of Coruscating Harmony Level: 47 Quality: 100 Bonus: 25 Effect 1: 13 Strength Effect 2: 13 Dexterity Effect 3: 15 Charisma Effect 4: 8 Energy Resist Utility: 43.3333358764648 Jewel: Name: Gem of Spirit Abhorrent Level: 40 Quality: 90 Bonus: 30 Effect 1: 7 Body Resist Effect 2: 7 Matter Resist Effect 3: 7 Heat Resist Effect 4: 7 Energy Resist Utility: 56 Belt: Name: Scurceol's Belt Level: 50 Quality: 100 Bonus: 35 Effect 1: 7 Strength Effect 2: 7 Constitution Effect 3: 10 Matter Resist Effect 4: 10 Energy Resist Utility: 49.3333320617676 Right Ring: Name: Shattered and Reforged Ring Level: 49 Quality: 95 Bonus: 25 Effect 1: 3 Instruments Effect 2: 16 Charisma Effect 3: 44 Hits Effect 4: 7 Thrust Resist Utility: 50.6666641235352 Left Ring: Name: Shattered and Reforged Ring Level: 49 Quality: 95 Bonus: 25 Effect 1: 3 Instruments Effect 2: 16 Charisma Effect 3: 44 Hits Effect 4: 7 Thrust Resist Utility: 50.6666641235352 Right Wrist: Name: Bracer of the Stealthy Level: 50 Quality: 100 Bonus: 25 Effect 1: 4 Quickness Effect 2: 4 Stealth Effect 3: 10 Heat Resist Effect 4: 8 Body Resist Utility: 58.6666641235352 Left Wrist: Name: Charismatic Bracer Level: 50 Quality: 100 Bonus: 25 Effect 1: 4 Charisma Effect 2: 3 Instruments Effect 3: 10 Cold Resist Effect 4: 12 Spirit Resist Utility: 61.6666641235352 -------------------- All existing SC setups will become dated due to TOA but Im sure some maybe popping up on the market at a bargain price because of it too. Beck Beastly
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Sheolraven |
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Jjoe Nitro said:
"Allow me to apologize for making a statement in response to a question without whipping out my charts and graphs..." Ok, ok....it is silly of me to think people on this board are going to give references. I can't help it, I'm a scientist. I am grateful to folks like Jjoe Nitro who take the time to figure things out! Sheolraver <-----Jjoe Nitro fan Phoenix Knight, Archanges of Guinevere If your group's minstrel loses speed....so what? |
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Jjoe Nitro |
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I don't blame anyone for desiring official test results.
I don't usually test things like dex myself, but I do alot of tests regarding all things twisting and charming. I've recently discovered that our ablative chant can be twisted with automez. I'm planning to test to see if charm can be twisted in the same way... Additionally, someone on the IGN board issued this challenge: Play speed, heal, mana, and ablative, while holding a red pet, then climb wall stealthed and cast AOE mez and use both DD's and stun ALL at the same time. Obviously, this is not possible... However, I think the only part that is truely impossible is doing it all while stealthed. Given the pulse length on speed and mana with a high yellow drum, and the fact that ablative, charm, DD, dd and stun are all instants, I think I may be able to climb a wall with a red pet, doing all those songs, then target an enemy and cast aoe mez and all the shouts before all the pulses end. I just need to get the quickbar setup with the right chords in the right order. I don't think I will be able to complete this little maneuver without the pulse ending on either speed or mana before the AOE spellcast is completed, but it will be an interesting test, none-the-less. Jjoe Nitro!!!!!!!!!!!!
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KimberBoh |
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Forgive me for being a newbie here... but what are these gems that are being referred to here? Do you collect these and stick them into armor somehow?
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Atylla |
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You can't do the speed and power song and AE mez.
I don't have the figures on me, but I seem to remember, it takes 2.3 seconds to swap instr, start new song and have it pulse. That means you have about 1.2 seconds after finishing the 2nd song of the series before you have to switch in the instrument and start the series over again. However, at that precise of timing, you will fail alot of songs (I had over 50% fail rate with a Cable connection), due to just normal latency. I believe the best set up is around 2.6 per song, giving .8 seconds to AA,DD and recharm. You can do speed/power, AA, all instas and recharm however and still be able to refresh speed before it's icon drops. Actually, get a weapon with as high of a delay as possible, and you can *almost* do all that and get an amy slash in. Could probably do it now that weapon slots can be bound to keyboard. Go with a hotkey of: 1. Speed 2. Power 3. DD 4. DD 5. AA 6. Target pet* 7. Charm 8. Pet attack** 9. Amethyst Slash 10. Stun * Target pet button created by opening your pet window and shift clicking on the pet name. Take the macro button that's created and drop it into the hotbar. ** Pet attack you get by opening your pet window, and shift clicking on the Attack button. It'll create a detachable attack button you can then drop into your hotbar. I set up F1 for weapon, F2 for 2h and F3 for Ranged slots. Basically, going in order: F3 1 1 F2 (if you want to have lute for healing otherwise omit) 2 (power or heal) 2 3 4 5 6 7 7 (last attacker button) 8 F1 9 Stun as necessary. This set up is almost entirely a PvE setup though, where you won't get hit. Otherwise, you are gonna die before you get to your DDs in RvR. |
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Zythos |
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Thinks for the help everyone!
Hib/Galahad
Zythos - 50 RR5L5 Warden Dying - 50 RR4L1 Nightshade Speedythos - 50 RR3L6 Bard Alb/Igraine Zythos - 47 RR2L5 Minstrel Mid/Tristan Zythos - 31 RR1L1 Savage |
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Here is mine but I am also a Thrust Minst.
LOKI Build Report Default Configuration: Build Utility: 905.7 Useable Utility: 885.0 TOA Utility: 77.0 Statistics STR:75/75 CON:76/75 DEX:75/75 QUI:42/75 INT:0/75 PIE:0/75 CHA:78/75 EMP:0/75 Hits:200/200 Power:0/25 AF:32/50 Resistances Body: 35 Cold: 26 Heat: 26+5 Energy: 25 Matter: 25 Spirit: 21 Crush: 25 Slash: 25+2 Thrust: 22+3 Skills Instruments: 11 Stealth: 11 Slash: 3 Thrust: 11 Staff: 3 Bonuses Melee Damage: 2 Melee Combat Speed: 7 Chest: Imbue: 33.5/28 (Quality: 99) 2 Thrust 25 Charisma 16 Strength 25 Dexterity Utility: 54.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Arms: Imbue: 33.5/28 (Quality: 99) 4 Instruments 9% Energy 3% Matter 9% Crush Utility: 62.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Head: Imbue: 33.5/28 (Quality: 99) 4 Instruments 3 Thrust 7% Slash 22 Strength Utility: 63.7 TOA Utility: 0.0 Legs: Imbue: 33.5/28 (Quality: 99) 7% Energy 4 Stealth 22 Constitution 3 Thrust Utility: 63.7 TOA Utility: 0.0 Hands: Imbue: 33.5/28 (Quality: 99) 25 Charisma 1 Stealth 22 Strength 25 Dexterity Utility: 53.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Feet: Imbue: 33.5/28 (Quality: 99) 3 Stealth 60 Hits 3 Instruments 9% Energy Utility: 63.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Right Hand (Legendary Heater or Cold): Imbue: 33.0 28 Charisma 8% Heat 8% Cold 2 Melee Damage 10 AF Utility: 50.7 TOA Utility: 20.0 Left Hand (Arcanium Magma Infused Buckler): Imbue: 30.0 3 ALL melee weapon skills 27 Constitution 56 Hits 2 Melee Combat Speed 12 AF Utility: 47.0 TOA Utility: 22.0 Neck (Ancient Copper Necklace): Imbue: 45.0 10% Crush 10% Thrust 10% Body 10% Spirit Utility: 80.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Cloak (Shades of Mist): Imbue: 20.0 3 Stealth 15 Strength 15 Quickness 10 AF 5 Melee Combat Speed Utility: 35.0 TOA Utility: 35.0 Jewel (harpy feather charm): Imbue: 31.0 6% Heat 6% Cold 6% Matter 6% Body 44 Hits Utility: 59.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Belt (Bone Belt Of Blocking): Imbue: 25.0 15 Quickness 6% Thrust 40 Hits 15 Constitution Utility: 42.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Left Ring (Cenalon's Ring Of Speed): Imbue: 31.0 25 Dexterity 12 Constitution 12 Quickness 4% Spirit 4% Matter Utility: 48.7 TOA Utility: 0.0 Right Ring (Band Of Shadow): Imbue: 33.0 6% Crush 6% Slash 6% Thrust 7% Body 7% Spirit Utility: 64.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Left Wrist (ebon hide bracer): Imbue: 30.0 6% Slash 6% Cold 6% Matter 6% Body 6% Heat Utility: 60.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 Right Wrist (ebon hide bracer): Imbue: 30.0 6% Slash 6% Cold 6% Matter 6% Body 6% Heat Utility: 60.0 TOA Utility: 0.0 My disguise must be able to strike terror in their hearts. I must become a creature of the night...
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